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Thomas CARLYLE

Male 1834 - 1882  (48 years)


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  • Name Thomas CARLYLE  [1, 2
    Birth 1834  Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Wales; united kingdom Find all individuals with events at this location  [1, 3
    Gender Male 
    Occupation accountant / clerk  [4
    Death 22 Mar 1882  Wales; United Kingdom Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Person ID I130  FHC023 - Chapman Tree
    Last Modified 4 Mar 2023 

    Father Francis CARLYLE,   b. 1798, Dumfrieshire; Scotland, United kingdom Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 5 Sep 1882, Merthyr Tydfil, glamorgan, Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 84 years) 
    Mother Jean or Jane SEATON,   b. 1806, Southwick, Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland, United Kingdom Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 1879, Merthyr Tydfil, glamorgan, Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 73 years) 
    Marriage 6 Jun 1826  New Abbey; Kircudbright ; Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location  [2, 5
    Family ID F41  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family Elvira RICHARDS,   b. 1834, Dowlais; Glamorgan ; Wales; united kingdom Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 22 Jan 1921, uncertain Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 87 years) 
    Marriage 23 Jun 1857  Llandaff / Abergavenny, Monmouthshire; Wales - Tredegar; Monmouth, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location  [1, 6
    Children 
     1. Arthur Pickering CARLYLE,   b. 30 Apr 1863, Swansea, Glamorganshire, Wales; United Kingdom Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 10 Sep 1903, Harrismith, Orange Free State, South Africa Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 40 years)
     2. William Edwin CARLYLE,   b. 1861, uncertain Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 1900, uncertain Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 39 years)
     3. Agnes P. CARLYLE,   b. 1865, wales; united kingdom Find all individuals with events at this locationd. (uncertain), uncertain Find all individuals with events at this location
     4. Henry Seaton CARLYLE,   b. 1866, wales; united kingdom Find all individuals with events at this locationd. (deceased), uncertain Find all individuals with events at this location
     5. Albert CARLYLE,   b. 1869, wales; united kingdom Find all individuals with events at this locationd. (deceased), uncertain Find all individuals with events at this location
     6. Matilda Russell CARLYLE,   b. 1868, wales; united kingdom Find all individuals with events at this locationd. (deceased), uncertain Find all individuals with events at this location
     7. Francis (Frank) John CARLYLE,   b. 1860, wales; united kingdom Find all individuals with events at this locationd. (deceased), uncertain Find all individuals with events at this location
     8. Emily Anne Elvira CARLYLE,   b. 1859, wales; united kingdom Find all individuals with events at this locationd. (deceased), uncertain Find all individuals with events at this location
     9. Windsor CARLYLE,   b. 1878, uncertain Find all individuals with events at this locationd. (deceased), uncertain Find all individuals with events at this location
     10. Mary I CARLYLE,   b. 1870, wales; united kingdom Find all individuals with events at this locationd. From 1871, uncertain Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 1 year)
     11. Emma Winifred CARLYLE,   b. 1877, wales; united kingdom Find all individuals with events at this locationd. (deceased), uncertain Find all individuals with events at this location
    Family ID F39  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart
    Last Modified 21 Feb 2023 

  • Notes 
    • CHRISTENING 2 February 1834 in Glamorgan, Wales [1]
    • RESIDENCE

      Apparently was resideing in Swansea Wales at time of 1871 and 1881 Cenuses [1]
    • FAMOUS WRITER - THOMAS CARLYLE This ancestor 'Thomas Carlyle' is not the same as The Thomas Carlyle' !!!

      The Thomas Carlyle was born in 1795 in Ecclefechan, Dumfrieshire, Scotland.

      He had only one child before passing away in London on 5 Feb 1881; his wife was Jane Baillie ; and son (who died childless) was born William and had no children
    • MARRIAGE

      Thomas & Elvira appear to have been married in both a Civil Ceremony and a Church Ceremony ... in different locations !

      1) There was a 1857 Civil Ceremony (recorded in 'England & Wales marriages 1837 to 2005) in Abergavenney, Monmouthshire, Wales

      AND

      2) There was a 1857 parish marriage (recorded in 'Gwent FHS - Blackwood marriage ) in Tredegar, St George, Monmouthshire, Wales

      Terdegar & Abergavenny are some 25 odd kms apart ....

      Further

      3) One family tree used to source Carlyle information indciates the marriage to place in Llandaff, Cardfiff , Wales ... some 60 odd kms from Abergavenny ! [4]
    • 1881 UK CENSUS - Carlyles

      The 1881 Census records Arthur , his parents, brothers & sisters and two servants living at

      - 1 Northampton Terrace
      - Swansea Town
      - Swansea
      - Glamorganshire
      - Wales

      Family members then comprised
      • Arthur Carlyle 17 years ... Commercial clerk
      • Thomas Carlyle ('head' of family, aged 47)
      • Elvira Carlyle ('wife', aged 46)
      • Emily 22 years
      • Frank (1871 Francis) 21 years ... law student
      • William E. 19 years .... accountant
      • Agnes 16 years
      • Harry 15 years ... Commercial clerk
      • Maud (1871 Matilda) 13 years .. scholar
      • Bertie (1871 Albert) 12 years ... scholar
      • NO Mary (1871)
      • Winifred 4 years
      Windsor 3 years
    • 1871 UK CENSUS - Carlyles

      The 1871 Census records Arthur , his parents, brothers & sisters and two servants living at

      - Gore Terrace
      - Swansea
      - Glamorganshire
      - Wales

      Family members comprised
      • Arthur Carlyle 8 years
      • Thomas Carlyle ('head' of family, aged 37)
      • Elvira Carlyle ('wife', aged 36)
      • Emily A.F. 12 years
      • Francis J. 11 years
      • William E. 9 years
      • Agnes P. 6 years
      • Harry S. 5 years
      • Matilda R. 3 years
      • Albert E. 2 years
      • Mary I. 1 year [7]
    • BIRTH RECORDS

      Birth recorded in

      • Wales, Glamorgan Parish Registers, 1558 to 1900
      • Wales Births & Baptisms 1541 to 1907
    • ANCESTRAL LINK TO 'ROBERT THE BRUCE' ?

      Some sources indicate that the Carlyle's have an ancestral link to 'Robert the Bruce', although this appears somewhat tenous.

      The link is though Robert the Bruce's sister apparently :

      Per Wikipedia (March 2023) , a relative of the Carlyle's , Nicholas Carlisle apparently, traced his ancestry back to Margaret Bruce, sister of Robert the Bruce . [17]

      1) Robert the Bruce

      Robert I (11 July 1274 – 7 June 1329), popularly known as Robert the Bruce ( Scottish Gaelic : Raibeart an Bruis ), was King of Scots from 1306 to his death in 1329. [1]
      One of the most renowned warriors of his generation, Robert eventually led Scotland during the First War of Scottish Independence against England . He fought successfully during his reign to regain Scotland's place as an independent kingdom and is now revered in Scotland as a national hero .
      Robert was a fourth great-grandson of King David I , and his grandfather, Robert de Brus, 5th Lord of Annandale , was one of the claimants to the Scottish throne during the " Great Cause ". [1]
      As Earl of Carrick , Robert the Bruce supported his family's claim to the Scottish throne and took part in William Wallace 's revolt against Edward I of England . Appointed in 1298 as a Guardian of Scotland alongside his chief rival for the throne, John Comyn of Badenoch , and William Lamberton , Bishop of St Andrews , Robert resigned in 1300 because of his quarrels with Comyn and the apparently imminent restoration of John Balliol to the Scottish throne. After submitting to Edward I in 1302 and returning to "the king's peace", Robert inherited his family's claim to the Scottish throne upon his father's death.
      Bruce's involvement in John Comyn's murder in February 1306 led to his excommunication by Pope Clement V (although he received absolution from Robert Wishart , Bishop of Glasgow ). Bruce moved quickly to seize the throne, and was crowned king of Scots on 25 March 1306. Edward I's forces defeated Robert in the Battle of Methven , forcing him to flee into hiding, before re-emerging in 1307 to defeat an English army at Loudoun Hill and wage a highly successful guerrilla war against the English.
      Robert I defeated his other opponents, destroying their strongholds and devastating their lands, and in 1309 held his first parliament . A series of military victories between 1310 and 1314 won him control of much of Scotland, and at the Battle of Bannockburn in 1314, Robert defeated a much larger English army under Edward II of England , confirming the re-establishment of an independent Scottish kingdom. The battle marked a significant turning point, with Robert's armies now free to launch devastating raids throughout northern England , while he also expanded the war against England by sending armies to invade Ireland , and appealed to the Irish to rise against Edward II's rule.
      Despite Bannockburn and the capture of the final English stronghold at Berwick in 1318, Edward II refused to renounce his claim to the overlordship of Scotland. In 1320, the Scottish nobility submitted the Declaration of Arbroath to Pope John XXII , declaring Robert as their rightful monarch and asserting Scotland's status as an independent kingdom.
      In 1324, the Pope recognised Robert I as king of an independent Scotland, and in 1326, the Franco-Scottish alliance was renewed in the Treaty of Corbeil . In 1327, the English deposed Edward II in favour of his son, Edward III , and peace was concluded between Scotland and England with the Treaty of Edinburgh–Northampton in 1328, by which Edward III renounced all claims to sovereignty over Scotland.
      Robert I died in June 1329 and was succeeded by his son, David II . Robert's body is buried in Dunfermline Abbey , while his heart was interred in Melrose Abbey , and his internal organs embalmed and placed in St Serf's Church, Dumbarton .

      Birth
      The remains of Turnberry Castle , Robert the Bruce's likely birthplace Although Robert the Bruce's date of birth is known, his place of birth is less certain, although it is most likely to have been Turnberry Castle in Ayrshire , the head of his mother's earldom, despite claims that he may have been born in Lochmaben in Dumfriesshire, or Writtle in Essex. Robert de Brus, 1st Lord of Annandale , the first of the Bruce (de Brus) line, had settled in Scotland during the reign of King David I , 1124 and was granted the Lordship of Annandale in 1124. The future king was one of ten children, and the eldest son, of Robert de Brus, 6th Lord of Annandale , and Marjorie, Countess of Carrick . From his mother, he inherited the Earldom of Carrick , and through his father, the Lordship of Annandale and a royal lineage as a fourth great-grandson of David I that would give him a claim to the Scottish throne. In addition to the lordship of Annandale, the Bruces also held lands in Aberdeenshire and Dundee , and substantial estates in England (in Cumberland , County Durham , Essex , Middlesex , Northumberland and Yorkshire ) and in County Antrim in Ireland.

      Childhood
      Very little is known of his youth. He was probably brought up in a mixture of the Anglo-Norman culture of northern England and south-eastern Scotland, and the Gaelic culture of southwest Scotland and most of Scotland north of the River Forth . Annandale was thoroughly feudalised , and the form of Northern Middle English that would later develop into the Scots language was spoken throughout the region. Carrick was historically an integral part of Galloway , and though the earls of Carrick had achieved some feudalisation, the society of Carrick at the end of the thirteenth century remained emphatically Celtic and Gaelic speaking.

      Ancestry

      Descended from the Scoto-Norman and Gaelic nobilities , through his father he was a fourth-great-grandson of David I , as well as claiming Richard (Strongbow) de Clare, 2nd Earl of Pembroke, King of Leinster and Governor of Ireland , as well as William Marshal, 1st Earl of Pembroke , and Henry I of England amongst his paternal ancestors. Robert's grandfather Robert de Brus, 5th Lord of Annandale , was one of the claimants to the Scottish throne during the ' Great Cause '.


      2) Nicholas Carlisle

      Sir Nicholas Carlisle , KH , FRS , MRIA , (1771 in York , England – 27 August 1847 in Margate , England) was an English antiquary and librarian. In 1806, he became a candidate for the office of Secretary to the Society of Antiquaries , which he obtained the following year. In 1812, he became an Assistant Librarian of the Royal Library ; he went on to accompany that collection to the British Museum , which he attended two days each week. He wrote several topographical dictionaries of England, Ireland, Wales and Scotland. He also wrote an historical account of Charitable Commissioners, and of Foreign Orders of Knighthood.

      Carlisle traced his descent from John Carlisle (d. 1670), of Witton-le-Wear . He was the son of Thomas Carlisle. His father married, first, Elizabeth Hutchinson; they had at least one child, a son, the surgeon, Anthony Carlisle . Thomas married secondly Susanna Skottowe, who was Nicholas' mother. Nicholas was born in York, where he was baptized in the St Mary Bishophill Junior, York on 8 February 1771. He received his education from the Rev. James Lawson at West Witton . Carlisle entered the naval service of the East India Company , attaining the post of purser . He also went into private business and made a large sum of money.
    • MERTHYR TIDFILL , WALES

      Extract from Wikpedia (March 2023)

      The Industrial Revolution
      Influence and growth of iron industry Early 19th-century industry in Merthyr Tydfil Merthyr was close to reserves of iron ore, coal, limestone, timber and water, making it an ideal site for ironworks. Small-scale iron working and coal mining had been carried out at some places in South Wales since the Tudor period, but in the wake of the Industrial Revolution the demand for iron led to the rapid expansion of Merthyr's iron operations. By the peak of the revolution, the districts of Merthyr housed four of the greatest ironworks in the world: Dowlais Ironworks , Plymouth Ironworks , Cyfarthfa Ironworks and Penydarren The companies were mainly owned by two dynasties, the Guest and Crawshay families.
      Starting in the late 1740s, land within the Merthyr district was gradually being leased for the smelting of iron to meet the growing demand, with the expansion of smaller furnaces dotted around South Wales. [12] By 1759, with the management of John Guest, the Dowlais Ironworks was founded. This would later become the Dowlais Iron Company and also the first major works in the area. Following the success at Dowlais, Guest took a lease from the Earl of Plymouth which he used to build the Plymouth Ironworks. [12] However, this was less of a success until the arrival in 1763 of a "Cumberland ironmaster, Anthony Bacon , who leased an area of eight miles by five for £100 a year on which he started the Cyfarthfa Ironworks and also bought the Plymouth Works". [12] After the death of Anthony Bacon in 1786, the ownership of the works passed to Bacon's sons, and was divided between Richard Hill, their manager and Richard Crawshay . Hill now owned the Plymouth Iron Works and Crawshay the works at Cyfarthfa. The fourth ironworks was Penydarren , built by Francis Homfray and his son Samuel Homfray in 1784.

      It was the need to export goods from Cyfarthfa that led to the construction of the Glamorganshire Canal running from their works right down the valley to Cardiff Bay, stimulating other businesses along the way. Cefn Coed Viaduct was built to carry the Brecon and Merthyr Railway

      During the first few decades of the 19th century, the ironworks at Cyfarthfa (and neighbouring Dowlais) continued to expand, and at their height were the most productive ironworks in the world: 50,000 tons of rails left just one ironworks in 1844, for the railways across Russia to Siberia. With the growing industry in Merthyr, several railway companies established routes linking the works with ports and other parts of Britain. They included the Brecon and Merthyr Railway, Vale of Neath Railway , Taff Vale Railway and Great Western Railway . They often shared routes to allow access to coal mines and ironworks through rugged country, which presented great engineering challenges. According to David Williams, in 1804, the world's first railway steam locomotive, "The Iron Horse", developed by the Cornish engineer Richard Trevithick , pulled 10 tons of iron with passengers on the new Merthyr Tramroad from Penydarren to Quakers Yard . He also claims that this was the "first 'railway' and the work of George Stephenson was merely an improvement upon it". A replica of this locomotive is in the National Waterfront Museum in Swansea. The tramway passed through what is arguably the oldest railway tunnel in the world, part of which can be seen alongside Pentrebach Road at the lower end of the town.

      The demand for iron was also fuelled by the Royal Navy, which needed cannon for its ships, and later by the railways. In 1802, Admiral Lord Nelson visited Merthyr to witness cannon being made.

      Famously, upon visiting Merthyr in 1850, Thomas Carlyle wrote that the town was filled with such "unguided, hard-worked, fierce, and miserable-looking sons of Adam I never saw before. Ah me! It is like a vision of Hell, and will never leave me, that of these poor creatures broiling, all in sweat and dirt, amid their furnaces, pits, and rolling mills."

      The decline of coal and iron

      The population of Merthyr reached 51,949 in 1861, but then went into decline for several years. As the 19th century progressed, Merthyr's inland location became increasingly disadvantageous for iron production. Penydarren closed in 1859 and Plymouth in 1880; thereafter some ironworkers migrated to the United States or even Ukraine , where Merthyr engineer John Hughes established an ironworks in 1869, creating the new city of Donetsk in the process.

      In the 1870s the advent of coal mining to the south of the town gave renewed impetus to the local economy and population growth. New mining communities developed at Merthyr Vale , Treharris and Bedlinog , and the population of Merthyr rose to a peak of 80,990 in 1911


  • Sources 
    1. [S8] External family tree.

    2. [S55] Unknown - on Family Search, Carlyle family tree, https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/K8KM-K2Z.

    3. [S64] Scottish Govt, Francis Carlyle marriage, Scotland Marriages 1561 -1910.

    4. [S57] England & Wales marriages 1837 to 2005, Carlyle/Richards marriage .

    5. [S64] Scottish Govt, Francis Carlyle marriage, 1826, Scotland Marriages 1561 -1910, Scotland Marriages 1561 -1910. (Reliability: 3).

    6. [S57] England & Wales marriages 1837 to 2005, Carlyle/Richards marriage , 1857, England & Wales marriages 1837 to 2005 (Reliability: 3).

    7. [S60] English Goverment, 1871 & 1881 UK Census, 1871 England, Wales &Scotland Censius / 1881 England , Wales & Scotland Census.